dead, our wounded and there are a lot of people, the number of first responders that have not even had time to sit back and process what they have done, they will do that next week. >> kevin cullen, bill flurry, couldn't have gotten through this week without you guys. i c gotten through this week without you. thank you very much. really appreciate it. msnbc's live coverage continues. today's newspapers. newspapers that are dated april 19, 2013 will not be read. a lot of things that will be in the april 20th, 2013, newspapers will not be noticed even if they get in there. today for example, you will be surprised to note that the republican governor of kansas signed into law one of the most restrictive abortion bans in the country. the va ex pe dated the process for vets waiting on disability claims. the boy scouts decided they will stop discriminating. the fertilizer plant explosion,

the death toll rose to 14 today. the date on which those things happened in the news will forever live on as historical news footnotes. however important they are or turn out to be in the long run, it will always be remembered about them if they're remembered as long-term stories. they will always be remembered that nobody was following them closely on the day that they happened. except for the people most close to those stories. the reason people weren't following them today is because today was the day the nation instead was all holding its breath all day long, riveted to the sound and the sight of what happened tonight in watertown, massachusetts. that video of that gunfight was shot by whdh, the affiliate in

boston just before 7:00 p.m. eastern time tonight in watertown, mass. we now know that was the start of the fbi hostage rescue team catching the guy. catching the remaining at large suspect in the bombing of the boston marathon. they got him. he is alive, he is in custody. we have a live report from the hospital where he is right now coming up in just a moment. but to understand how we got here tonight, start at the fbi press conference that happened last night at roughly 5:00 p.m. that was at the sheraton hotel in boston, a very short distance at the site of where the bombs went off on monday. the benchmark moment of that all-important fbi press conference was of course when they released the photos of the suspects for the first time and asked the public to please call in if you knew anything about these guys. one of the other big developments, easier to see i think in hind sight was investigators announcing at the presser that their thinking about the investigation had

changed. it had changed to being about more than one person rather than a lone assailant. >> within the last day or so through that careful process, we initially developed a single person of interest. not knowing that the individual was acting alone or in concert with others, we obviously worked with extreme purpose to make that determination. indeed, through that process, the fbi developed a second suspect. today we are listing the public's help to identify the two suspects. >> so that happened at about 5:00 last night. once the fbi posted those pictures of the two suspects and the surveillance video on their website, they said today that they started receiving traffic at the fbi website. at a rate of 300,000 hits per second. we're told that the fbi then began receiving all sorts of names from the public a short time later. it was five hours after the press conference, at 10:30 p.m. last night that a seemingly unrelated event started. across the river from the press

conference in nearby cambridge, massachusetts, police discovered that a campus police officer at m.i.t. had been shot and killed on the ground of the school. 26-year-old sean collier was shot multiple times inside his police cruiser. it was not clear immediately at the time, but investigators believe he was shot by those two bombing suspects who had been publicly identified by the fbi just a few hours earlier. after the police officer was shot, the police account of events says the suspects then left the scene of that shooting and traveled east. they did not go far. what they did was they carjacked a mercedes suv at gunpoint. they held the owner of that vehicle hostage in the vehicle and took off. they went to three different atm sites to use that guy's atm card to withdraw $800 in cash. they eventually released the owner of the mercedes sometime around 11:00 p.m. what followed after that was a wild middle of the night car chase and shootout between those two suspects and law enforcement.

the scene of that shootout in watertown, massachusetts, which is just next to cambridge where m.i.t. is, watertown is just outside the city of boston. it is unclear if the suspects were trying to flee the whole area and that's how they ended up there. but suburban watertown is where they ended up. it thereby became the backdrop for a massive firefight that stretched late into the night. residents reported hearing three explosions during that gunfight. we know the suspects were throwing explosive devices at police from inside their moving vehicle during that chase. officials say they recovered pipe bombs as well as a pressure cooker bomb which we're told is the same type of device used in the marathon bombing itself, a pressure cooker bomb. during that firefight with police in the dead of night last night, there were about 200 rounds fired. that gun battle ultimately ends in the death of one of the suspects. the one in the dark colored hat

from the fbi briefing. he's 26-year-old tamerlan tsarnaev. the older of the two brothers. police say he died with app an improvised explosive device strapped to his chest. that was rough live 1:00 a.m. with one suspect now dead, police begin a massive door-to-doorman hunt in watertown for the younger brother, the other suspect. 19-year-old dzhokhar who fled on foot after that five fight. law enforcement began canvassing that neighborhood very, very closely. a shelter in place order was issued for watertown and then the shelter in place order was spread out to include all of boston. all transit services stopped. all taxi services stopped much the city komts it a complete halt. in the midst of the search for the suspect at large, another suspicious device discovered back in boston. this one close to the site monday's marathon bombing. that device is ultimately

destroyed by police during a controlled explosion. that was sometime before 7:00 a.m. this morning. police then also investigate reports of suspicious devices at the apartment where the two suspects lived. officials say that unexploded ordinates or devices were discovered. they have since been made safe. police convened another press conference late this afternoon to announce that the manhunt was still on. that despite earlier reports that they might be looking for a third suspect for another accomplice, that was not the case. they were still focusing on finding this one young man. 19-year-old dzhokhar tsarnaev. the one whose brother was killed last night. even though the manhunt was ongoing, the state police explained that the city just could not stay locked down forever. so they lifted the shelter in place order, lifted it for the city, even though the suspect was still at large. people were told to exercise caution, to be on the look yourkts call 911 if you saw this

man. people were told to expect heavy and militarized police presence in boston and the surrounding neighborhoods, particularly in watertown. then this was the most remarkable thing. 37 minutes after that press conference ended, with the lifting of the shelter in place order, 37 minutes later, watertown erupts again. what we know -- what we know about that footage is that it happened shortly before 7:00 p.m. it was shot by the affiliate, whdl on a quiet residential street a few minutes walk from where the suspect last night was killed by police. the way that investigators were tipped off to show up at that address, that is just remarkable. so after the shelter in place order was lifted by state officials, the person who lived

in that house where the firefight happened, the resident of that house in watertown went outside, the shelter in place order was lifted. it's okay to go outside. he decided to go outside, reportedly to have a smoke. he keeps his boat on a trailer parked in the backyard of his house. when he went outside, he noticed that there was something wrong, something amiss with the tarp that covered his boat. he walked over to investigate, he approached the boat, he pulled the tarp back and saw the suspect hiding inside the boat covered in blood. the man then retreated, called 9-1-1. police immediately sped to the scene. police set up a perimeter. they flew a helicopter over the site that was equipped with thermal imaging technology to use essentially the suspect's body heat, his heat register to determine if there was somebody alive and inside that boat and there was. at that point, officials knew there was a reason to go in. the fbi's hostage rescue team initially we're told tried to talk him out of the boat. he was described tonight at the

press conference as having been noncommunicative. at that point there was an exchange of gunfire, we do not know if the suspect was hit by that gunfire. but afterwards, officials were finally able to take him into custody in an ambulance. just a remarkable resolution to this massive, massive manhunt. one of the biggest cities in america locked down tight for a full working day and then as soon as the public was let back out into the streets, it was a member of the public in watertown who caught the guy. and when the word got out, when boston police tweeted this. captured! ! ! the hunt is over. the search is done. the terror is over. justice has won, suspect in custody. when that word went out, what followed was a sight that we have not seen honestly in this country since probably the capture of osama bin laden when people turned out to the white house. the residents of watertown pouring into the streets in what appeared to be a spontaneous show of relief and emotion and

appreciation. cheering for law enforcement saying thank you, waving american flags as they hauled the captured suspect off to the hospital. i think we have footage from boston common. yeah, this was the scene a short time ago at boston common. they're saying boston, boston. like the scene in watertown, bostonians taking to the streets to express relief and gratitude and joy that this situation has come to an end. joining us now is ron allen, live tonight at the medical center in boston which we're told is where the suspect is being treated. we're also told that he is in serious condition. ron, thank you very much for being with us. what can you tell us about what's happening at the hospital? >> first, that was an interesting comparison you made between the night osama bin laden was killed and tonight and the sell briggss.

i was at ground zero then. one big difference, rachel is that this was very local. this was communal. this was really close. a lot of those officers were known in the community. the ones in watertown, from boston, it was very close and a really amazing thing to see the interaction between the public and law enforcement when they came together. when the cars were driving down through the street and the roads were lined and people were cheering and yelling and screaming. and the officers were smiling. everybody was relieved. we were relieved and it was just an amazing relationship that you could see there, very close. here at the hospital, we don't know a lot about the suspect's condition. serious according to police. we believe he lost a lot of blood and he was shot at some point during the 20 hours or so that he was on the run. we don't know at what point in the process that happened h the boston globe posted a headline that he was conscious and alive. we don't know how coherent he is.

it's impossible to know yet. we have not been briefed. this is the west clinic center, the emergency room is in the back of this building. you see there's a light police presence here but in the back a couple hours ago, there was a heavy police presence. a lot of state troopers and it was clear that we were not allowed to get near that. we've been standing out here to see if we'll hear any word. i don't think we will tonight. i think they're trying to let the situation calm down, subside a bit and perhaps we'll learn more tomorrow. just beyond here in the streets of boston, morsel brags, you showed the pictures of the boston common. when we drove from watertown, there were a number of intersections where students were chanting usa, usa. cheering for every car that went by, even our car, even though we didn't have flashing lights and we weren't law enforcement. it's that kind of night here. it's a very unique situation. a very evening here atmosphere of just relief, celebration and

gratitude, i think is an important word. a lot of gratitude that the community is expressesing to the men and women who protect and serve who made that night happen. >> absolutely, ron. what you're describing is palpably evident from the scene on the street. ron allen at the medical center in boston. ron, thank you so much for being out there for us. i really appreciate it. one of the interesting things about the way this is spooling out. the bombings were on monday. today is friday. the other suspect was killed late thursday night, early friday morning. so many of the people wounded in boston are going to survive. those grievous wounds that they experienced in that bombing because of the excellent public health system in boston, because of the excellent hospitals there. among them beth igs real deconist. it's one of the hospitals treating the wounded victims of

those bombs from monday. now they're also keeping that suspect alive. now that the suspect has been apprehended alive, authorities have a few thousand questions for him. more on that coming up. look at them kids. [ sigh ]

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watching the on scene press conference of all the officials involved in this successful manhunt, i thought the colonel who runs the massachusetts state police tonight said it as plainly as anyone could. when he sighed and said we are exhausted, folks. but we do have a victory here tonight. we have much more to report on the most dramatic 24 hours in a very long time, coming up.

the remaining suspect in the boston marathon bombings is in police custody. he is in police custody alive. and that means there's a whole new chapter of the story beginning tonight, beginning right now. it is the process by which police will build their case

against this suspect who they say committed a terrorist attack against americans. the u.s. attorneys saying earlier tonight that this is an ongoing and active investigation. dzhokhar tsarnaev will not be read his miranda rights before he's questioned. once he's physically able to answer questions. as far as we know, he's still in too bad of shape to answer law enforcement questions at all. in terms of what he is waiting for, for his miranda, you know it from law and order, right? you have the right to remain silent, anything you say or do may be used against you in a court of law, you have the right to consult an attorney and to have an attorney present during questioning. if you cannot afford an attorney, one will be appointed for you before any questioning if you wish. if you decide to answer any questions without an attorney present, you have the right to stop answering at any time until you talk to an attorney knowing and understanding your rights as i explain them to you, are you willing to answer my questions without an attorney present. it is not always exactly like that.

in the movies, the person saying it usually has a much cooler accent. but that's pretty much the idea. the idea is that your statements are only admissible in court if they come after you have been told that list of things about your rights. there is, though, a public safety exception. for questions that just had to be asked of you urgently for a legitimate public safety need before you were asked miranda. the obama administration extended the reach of that so it essentially can last longer to attend to the type of public safety threats that could occur in terrorism cases. they presumably will argue like this one. this man is not being treated as an enemy combatant. he will be on track for a federal trial as best we can tell. right now he's on track to be questioned by an interrogation group and at some point he will be read his rights. he's an american citizen and he will face american justice. joining us now is kendall cou

coffee, it's good to have you with us tonight. thanks for joining us so late at night. >> caller: thanks for including me, rachel. >> it became big news that dzhokhar tsarnaev was not read his miranda rights and might not be at the initial portion of his interrogation because of the public safety exemption. is that an unusual decision? would you have expected that? >> it's a matter of degree. this comes against a backdrop as you were talking about, rachel, of civilian trials versus enemy combatant, military tribunal status. in the obama administration, they were trying to demonstrate that civilian tools are adequate, they're tough enough to make everybody safe. so in that process, the public safety exception seems to be evolving for terrorism purposes. for example, just to sort of track, we remember the so-called christmas day bomber who was

briefly interrogated under the public safety exception but then very quickly given his miranda rights. that got a firestorm of criticism as basically not being tough enough on terrorists. so the next high-profile event was the times square bomber. he was interrogated for hours before given his miranda warnings because you can ask somebody what is a reasonably objective standard to show imminent or immediate danger to the public or police, you can ask somebody those kind of questions. what are you asking about immediate danger and is there a reasonably objective belief that there is imminent danger and when you basically trying to elicit a confession. that's where it gets kind of gray. in this case, there's a very high-profile announcement that miranda isn't going to happen any time soon. so whatever else we can draw from this, it's going to be much

tougher statement about the administration's approach to so-called terrorism suspects. >> you are saying essentially that they are carving out some new ground here, that they have pushed this part of the envelope before, but with this overt statement saying, we are planning in advance to be so alarmed by having him in our custody once he can speak that we're going to extend the public safety exemption then, you're saying that's pushing the envelope farther than they have in previous cases? >> i think they are. the attorney general talked about federal legislation to limit miranda in terrorist, so-called terrorist interrogations and then there was some internal steps taken to encourage more aggressive use of the so-called public safety exception, again, in terrorist cases. so that kind of development is, you know, something obviously that has some, i'm sure, many legitimate concerns.

but it's also going to be seen as a message that we can use the civilian courts. we don't need to ship everybody down to guantanamo or hold them off in a navy brig near charleston. this kind of approach can certainly get some criticism from liberals, from constitutional scholars that the administration is taking -- the administration may see it as something essential to preserve the use of civilian jury trials and the basic constitutional protections even for terrorism cases. >> kendall kofi, thank you for helping us understand that crucial context. >> caller: appreciate you having me. >> it is interesting. you look at the way civilian terrorism prosecutions have gone down in this country and you look at the underwear bomber, the times square bomber, there may have been controversy over when they were administered miranda rights and conservatives not wanting them to be

administered their miranda rights. there's never been an indication what chauffeur soefr that either of them shut up, they kept singing after the law and order script was read to them. there is a much worse prosecution and sentencing record, or at least much looser sentencing and prosecution record than civilian trials do for terrorism suspects overall. this week's events were a reminder that the world has gotten small and interconnected. so small and interconnected, you can't ignore parts of it anymore. we've got more ahead. stay with us. ,

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second. but trust me. it has a pay-offment you ready. during the cold war when you thought about the earth, the globe, the two big functions that as bookends were us, the u.s. over here taking the up a big chunk of north america between these two big countries, canada and mexico so us and them, the soviet union which broke up roughly 1991. russia is still a big country. it wasn't just russia and the whole soviet union it was freaking massive. enveloping the northern border of china, which is massive. reaching to japan and toward alaska. on the west getting to scandinavia, its control and sphere of influence spreading into east germany. even appreciating that the soviet union spanned 12 time zones west to east it's still easy to forget how far down it went. the soviet union had a big

border with iran. two borders with iran on either side of the caspian sea. the soviet union was so big, it went all the way into the middle east and europe and scandinavia and china. and to japan. it was huge. that part of the old soviet union, just west of the caspian sea, that part of the world, if you stop thinking about countries and their boundaries and think of it as land, the land is marked by this buts full seam in the earth. this big dramatic strait as an arrow mountains. since the soviet union dissolved, we do not see that part of the world as a big part of something else, as a component of this gigantic opposite number to us, super power. now that we don't see the world as the soviet union, we see it

asjha gentleman and and a geria. if you think i'm mispronouncing things just wait. wait for the following. and dag stand and of course chechnya. even while the soviet union was strong it has a hard time dealing with those places that were supposed to be under it umbrella that didn't want to be. in world war ii, when the soviets were fighting the nazis, separatist this is chechnya saw an opportunity and rose up to try to break free of the soviet union. stalin not only crushed that revolt, what he did to the people of chechnya afterward is part of how stalin became an almost hyperbolic forcibly -- in 1944 he forcibly deported the entire population of chechnya. not the rebels, not the fighters but everyone in the country.

men, women, children, everybody. he forced them out of their homeland where they lived for centuries and made them move to siberia. and northern kazakhstan. the whole country deported from their own country. tens of thousands of people died. they were not allowed to return home for 13 years. by then it was the late 1950s. they were trying to undo some of the legacy and let chechens live in chechnya again. when the soviet union collapsed chechens tried to get their independence from russia. their first war for independence from russia started in 1994. it ended two years later in a truce. three years after that truce chechen fighters started up again. that made their war with russia start up again. the second war was horrific marked by the russians almost totally destroying their capital city. and by chechen fighters targeting civilians in russia with everything from the school

massacre, three-day long attack that killed more than 300 people, most schoolchildren, to the attack on the moscow theater where they took 700 hostages. ultimately more than 120 people were killed when the russians gassed theater. there were attacks on trains. and on the metro and on and on and on. we have no idea now in america if understanding chechnya any better will help us understand the boston bombings. the two brothers, one dead, one in custody, the two named are of chechen ethnic origin. they have been here for decades since the dead one was a teenager and the younger one was in elementary school. it may turn out that being from chechnya is no more relevant to understanding this case than any other aspect of their lives. their family ties, their religion, their political beliefs or sanity that week discern for knowing their

motives. they say the difference between terrorism and crime that looks like terrorism is motive. political motive. we do not know what the political motive might have been if there was one. when that second war kicked off in 1999, the precipitating event was chechen fighters crossing the border. the two young men were living in dag stand then. the younger suspect that was still on the run was in first grade. the family fled and made their way to kazakhstan and made their way to the united states and applied here for asylum as refugees of war. the suspect's uncle who lives in maryland spoke about the way they came to the united states, where they came from and his rage. his almost unadulterated rage at his nephews for what he described as them bringing shame upon the chechen people. >> what do you think provoked this?

>> being losers, hatred to those who were able to settle themselves. these the only reasons i can imagine of. anything else, anything else to do with religion, with islam that's fraud. it's fake. of course, we're ashamed. yes, we're ashamed. they're children of my brother. i respect this country. i love this country. this country which gives chance to everybody else to be treated as a human being and to just to be human being, to fill yourself human being. that's what i feel about this country. he put a shame -- he put a shame on our family, the tsarni family. he put a shame on the entire chechen ethnicity. because everyone now names, they play with word chechen. they put that shame on the entire ethnicity. that's what i would say. turn yourself in.

>> joining us now is charles king. he's professor of international affairs in government at georgetown university. he's the author of the ghost of freedom. a history of the caucuses. professor king, it's particularly embarrassing to mispronounce those names in front of you. >> you did a great job. >> thank you. very kind. a lot of people are trying to figure out if they're terrorists, radicalized overseas or if this is totally unrelated to terrorist causes. do you think there will be a definitive answer with regard to their chechen heritage? whether that's relevant and explanatory here? >> i think it's relative to a degree. they grew up in a community, with a history, they had a certain kind of background. at the end of the day, if we're looking for motivation for this particular act i think it's going to lie in the way they were radicalized in the united states, on the internet, visiting chat rooms.

putting their own lives into a narrative about this anti-western, anti-modern jihadist that you find in the world. >> if they did. there's evidence of a you-tube page that may connect to the older brother. you-tube clips. the younger brother there's very thin evidence of anything. >> keep in mind, on the elder brother, tamerlan's you tube channel there's an equal number of rap videos. i don't know why we tend to focus on this one particular aspect because they have a lot of consonants in their name but in lots of other context we go to other kind of motivation. we really ought to look at those. in this case as well. >> there's a history of terrorism being used as a military tactic. among chechen separatists fighting the russian federation.

>> right. >> terrorism against civilians in moscow metro stations in order to try to get their way at home in chechnya. has there ever been an american target on a target outside of russian federation for chechen separatist terrorists? >> no. there's been people killed outside of chechnya but they tended to be chechen, either islamists or those targeted by the russian federation, that is to say the fighters being killed outside of -- >> >> they haven't globalized that fight before? >> no. it's worked in the opposite direction. that's to say the jihadist networks based in the middle east or south asia or afghanistan, elsewhere, have tended to see chechnya as a branch of the global jihad. if you look at the theorists of goebl jihad, --

the fact of the matter is chechnya is probably the most peaceful and safe place in the entire north caucuses. since 2009 it's been under the control of a local war whether or not he had is the president who has been given power by the russian federation to rule the place. these guys come from a very, very complicated heritage. i think as time goes on, we're going to be looking, i hope at other kinds of motivation that we'll look for in other instances of mass killings. >> it's relevant. we have no idea if that heritage connects to what they did. understanding it in the meep time can't hurt. >> right. professor charles king, professor at georgetown. author of the ghost of freedom, history of the caucuses. which i have not read but i know i have to. thanks for being here. i really appreciate it. we'll be right back. @ñ

one more thing the raise about the chechen angle. the question of whether that goes any distance towards explaining their motive for the bombing or if they might be connected to a larger terrorist enterprise if these are the guys. with that as a big part of the background today, the check ambassador to the united states expresses his shock. he says the united states can count on the czech republic. for support. he then makes this absolutely

crucial point. as more information on the origin of the alleged perpetrators is coming to light. i am ternd to note a most unfortunate misunderstanding in this respect. the czech republic and the chechnya are two different entities. the czech republic is a central european country. chechnya is a part of the russian federation. czech republic, chechnya, turns out they're not the same thing. also isn't it terrible all these violins on television.

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we think of boston first as being an irish kind of town. that is true to a certain extent. they don't call boston the 33rd county of ireland for nothing. boston also belongs almost as famously to the italians. boston for tourists look like this. italians on the north end. boston has a couple of caribbean neighborhoods with enough people to host a big awesome caribbean carnival every summer. something like the east

neighborhood speaks spanish. boston's chinatown is not what it used to be. there's a new one growing south of the city. same with a good concentration of brazilians. they have lived in the allston-brightton neighborhood. now they're in somerville, where you will find thaur nap and expression of solidarity with other bostonians. another boston suburb, the city of watertown has the third largest community of ethnic armenians in the whole country. along with big communities of people from russia and people from korea and other places too. there are not many chechens thought to live in the united states. the chechens who are in the united states tend to live in boston. it's not all that weird that two guys from a chechen family would live in greater boston because frankly, everybody lives in greater boston. all sorts of people. that's what makes a city a city. you find people there from everywhere.

that's just as true as many of our suburbs. it's not usual to be an irish-american living next door to an indian-american anywhere in the country. the world is round. what's global is local. the effect of what happened today in boston is anything but local. nearly a million people in the overall metropolitan region woke up with orders from the local government delivered by phone or by media or by signs on the side of the road that said shelter in place. that means don't go anywhere. no work, no school, no trains, no taxis, no going anywhere. shelter in place. stay in your house. lock the doors. consider hiding in the basement if you're in an area that may have an active shooter. hundreds of law enforcement officers descended searching house to house for the second suspect in watertown. the order remained in place until 6:00 p.m. local boston time. authorities warned people to stay vigilant.

shelter in place is the kind of order that we associate with bad weather and disasters. in november a train carrying hydrogen fluoride jumped the track near west point, kentucky. authorities told everybody in a five-mile radius, they had to shelter in place. in richmond, california, they had to shelter in place when a refinery caught fire. when that blizzard swallowed new england in february this year the governor ordered statewide bans on driving. technically you did not have to shelter in place but for 24 hours could not drive anywhere. it's the first time we'd seen a ban like that in massachusetts since the great blizzard of 1978. what happened in boston today has really no precedent in our country. shelter in place orders affecting this many people in this big an american city for this long, freezing a big city like this, emptying it out. it's so weird that we do not know how to measure the consequences.

you want to put a dollar value on it. how about a billion dollars. you could argue that. or a third of that number, i guess, if it's a rough guess. after all this emptiness and boston looking like a zombie movie when authorities lifted this order to shelter in place, somebody in watertown went outside his house which he was suddenly free to do. he's a man named david henneberry. when he stopped sheltering in place, he went outside and discovered the suspect in his boat. mr. henneberry called 9-1-1, police moved in and cornered the suspect. somehow even after multiple rounds of gunfire echoed through the street they captured him alive. when everybody got word the relief and celebration on the streets was palpable. this was no normal day in any american neighborhood. joining us now is our friend charlie pierce, grew up 40

minutes west of watertown. thanks for joining us today. thanks for staying up so late. >> terrific. thanks for having me. >> how do you think boston makes sense? does this change boston or does this become another great story that bostonians tell each other that people won't believe. a couple of generations hence. >> it will certainly become that because everything does. this is a -- it's interesting, though, because what happened on thursday night sort of blew up the conventional narrative of the way we do these things. we have the event and the mourning and the celebration and then the healing at the interfaith service and we go on and wait for event. we didn't get any of that. we had a interfaith service and we had a gun battle in the middle of a residential neighborhood. for a good couple of hours things were pretty mad. i think the one thing that you pointed out is people because

-- becomes bostonians. dorchester is a completely different place than it was, my irish friends, including lawrence o'donnell grew up there. there are cambodians. veet ma mees. i attribute it to ice hockey. people just want to come to be bruins fans. no. i think this will become local legend. it will take a little time because of the gravity of the nature of what happened, no so much the bombing but what happened last night. >> i'm struck by how important the public was to the law enforcement response. in some very direct ways we've all read that incredible bloomberg news piece about the young man who had both of his legs blown off, woke up and asked for a pen and paper and wrote down, bag. i saw him. he looked right at me thus indicating he knew who the suspect was and could help them identify them. we know the man of the story on his watertown triple decker and

realizing there was something in his boat and looking into it and thereby identifying that suspect which got this guy in custody. we know the fbi had more faith in the public than anything else in terms of releasing these photos to the public and saying, tell us anything. call us, give us everything you've got. the relationship between law enforcement and the people, is that a typical boston relationship between bostonians and law enforcement? >> i think to an extent. i wouldn't make it bostonians. i think most cities would react this way. i want to say a couple of things. i want to give tremendous credit to boston police and deval patrick. and to police commissioner ed davis, both of whom had terrific weeks. from the very first press conference after the bombing where, among other things, ed davis just stepped on the whole

story about the saudi kid in the hospital being a suspect. absolutely from the jump. went and did that. both of them. the one thing i really like about this given our history over the last couple of decade, this was a police action. there wasn't need for patriot act or warrantless wiretapping or enhanced interrogation techniques. they left the water board in the closet. this was cops being cops. this was grinding forensic work and shoe leather detective work and door-to-door searches and relying on the public and making the public a part of it. >> you can see the public appreciation. we're showing footage from the streets of watertown and actually fenway in terms of the way people are celebrating. not just with relief but saying thank you. it's been striking to see it. charlie, from esquire magazine, we're so looking forward to reading what you write about this amazing day. thank you for being out there. >> thank you. >> appreciate it.

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boston is famously tough town, but the toughest looking guy in boston right now might be a guy on the surface who is really not all that tough looking at all. it's this guy. the little guy there. the special agent in charge. of the fbi field office in boston. rich -- he led the team that apprehended the suspects in the marathon bombing in four days. he also led the team that busted the most famous man. after a 16-year manhunt. fwhf happened, next was cracking the museum heist. the largest art heist in american history. it's a $500 million caper that has not been solved for 23 years. he says the fbi, under his leadership, after all those years is making significant progress in that cold case. if